Some say volatility, rather than debt, is the best way to think about risk as an investor, but Warren Buffett famously said that 'Volatility is far from synonymous with risk.' So it seems the smart money knows that debt - which is usually involved in bankruptcies - is a very important factor, when you assess how risky a company is. We can see that AGC Inc. (TSE:5201) does use debt in its business. But should shareholders be worried about its use of debt?
When Is Debt Dangerous?
Debt assists a business until the business has trouble paying it off, either with new capital or with free cash flow. If things get really bad, the lenders can take control of the business. However, a more usual (but still expensive) situation is where a company must dilute shareholders at a cheap share price simply to get debt under control. By replacing dilution, though, debt can be an extremely good tool for businesses that need capital to invest in growth at high rates of return. When we think about a company's use of debt, we first look at cash and debt together.
How Much Debt Does AGC Carry?
As you can see below, at the end of December 2024, AGC had JP¥649.7b of debt, up from JP¥618.4b a year ago. Click the image for more detail. On the flip side, it has JP¥108.0b in cash leading to net debt of about JP¥541.7b.
A Look At AGC's Liabilities
The latest balance sheet data shows that AGC had liabilities of JP¥708.8b due within a year, and liabilities of JP¥509.2b falling due after that. Offsetting these obligations, it had cash of JP¥108.0b as well as receivables valued at JP¥407.2b due within 12 months. So its liabilities total JP¥702.8b more than the combination of its cash and short-term receivables.
This deficit is considerable relative to its market capitalization of JP¥964.8b, so it does suggest shareholders should keep an eye on AGC's use of debt. Should its lenders demand that it shore up the balance sheet, shareholders would likely face severe dilution.
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We use two main ratios to inform us about debt levels relative to earnings. The first is net debt divided by earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA), while the second is how many times its earnings before interest and tax (EBIT) covers its interest expense (or its interest cover, for short). This way, we consider both the absolute quantum of the debt, as well as the interest rates paid on it.
We'd say that AGC's moderate net debt to EBITDA ratio ( being 1.8), indicates prudence when it comes to debt. And its commanding EBIT of 23.0 times its interest expense, implies the debt load is as light as a peacock feather. Sadly, AGC's EBIT actually dropped 5.6% in the last year. If earnings continue on that decline then managing that debt will be difficult like delivering hot soup on a unicycle. The balance sheet is clearly the area to focus on when you are analysing debt. But ultimately the future profitability of the business will decide if AGC can strengthen its balance sheet over time. So if you're focused on the future you can check out this free report showing analyst profit forecasts.
Finally, while the tax-man may adore accounting profits, lenders only accept cold hard cash. So the logical step is to look at the proportion of that EBIT that is matched by actual free cash flow. Over the last three years, AGC reported free cash flow worth 7.9% of its EBIT, which is really quite low. For us, cash conversion that low sparks a little paranoia about is ability to extinguish debt.
Our View
Neither AGC's ability to convert EBIT to free cash flow nor its level of total liabilities gave us confidence in its ability to take on more debt. But its interest cover tells a very different story, and suggests some resilience. Taking the abovementioned factors together we do think AGC's debt poses some risks to the business. So while that leverage does boost returns on equity, we wouldn't really want to see it increase from here. When analysing debt levels, the balance sheet is the obvious place to start. However, not all investment risk resides within the balance sheet - far from it. For example, we've discovered 1 warning sign for AGC that you should be aware of before investing here.
When all is said and done, sometimes its easier to focus on companies that don't even need debt. Readers can access a list of growth stocks with zero net debt 100% free, right now.
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Manufactures and sells glass, electronics, chemicals, automotive, and ceramics worldwide.
Flawless balance sheet and undervalued.
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