Howard Marks put it nicely when he said that, rather than worrying about share price volatility, 'The possibility of permanent loss is the risk I worry about... and every practical investor I know worries about.' When we think about how risky a company is, we always like to look at its use of debt, since debt overload can lead to ruin. Importantly, HASEKO Corporation (TSE:1808) does carry debt. But the real question is whether this debt is making the company risky.
When Is Debt Dangerous?
Debt and other liabilities become risky for a business when it cannot easily fulfill those obligations, either with free cash flow or by raising capital at an attractive price. In the worst case scenario, a company can go bankrupt if it cannot pay its creditors. While that is not too common, we often do see indebted companies permanently diluting shareholders because lenders force them to raise capital at a distressed price. Having said that, the most common situation is where a company manages its debt reasonably well - and to its own advantage. When we examine debt levels, we first consider both cash and debt levels, together.
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What Is HASEKO's Debt?
You can click the graphic below for the historical numbers, but it shows that as of March 2024 HASEKO had JP¥415.0b of debt, an increase on JP¥391.5b, over one year. On the flip side, it has JP¥286.4b in cash leading to net debt of about JP¥128.6b.
How Healthy Is HASEKO's Balance Sheet?
According to the last reported balance sheet, HASEKO had liabilities of JP¥394.4b due within 12 months, and liabilities of JP¥445.6b due beyond 12 months. Offsetting this, it had JP¥286.4b in cash and JP¥148.4b in receivables that were due within 12 months. So it has liabilities totalling JP¥405.2b more than its cash and near-term receivables, combined.
This deficit is considerable relative to its market capitalization of JP¥473.7b, so it does suggest shareholders should keep an eye on HASEKO's use of debt. Should its lenders demand that it shore up the balance sheet, shareholders would likely face severe dilution.
In order to size up a company's debt relative to its earnings, we calculate its net debt divided by its earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) and its earnings before interest and tax (EBIT) divided by its interest expense (its interest cover). This way, we consider both the absolute quantum of the debt, as well as the interest rates paid on it.
HASEKO has a low net debt to EBITDA ratio of only 1.4. And its EBIT covers its interest expense a whopping 47.8 times over. So we're pretty relaxed about its super-conservative use of debt. But the other side of the story is that HASEKO saw its EBIT decline by 4.9% over the last year. That sort of decline, if sustained, will obviously make debt harder to handle. There's no doubt that we learn most about debt from the balance sheet. But ultimately the future profitability of the business will decide if HASEKO can strengthen its balance sheet over time. So if you're focused on the future you can check out this free report showing analyst profit forecasts.
Finally, a business needs free cash flow to pay off debt; accounting profits just don't cut it. So the logical step is to look at the proportion of that EBIT that is matched by actual free cash flow. Over the last three years, HASEKO reported free cash flow worth 16% of its EBIT, which is really quite low. For us, cash conversion that low sparks a little paranoia about is ability to extinguish debt.
Our View
Neither HASEKO's ability to convert EBIT to free cash flow nor its level of total liabilities gave us confidence in its ability to take on more debt. But the good news is it seems to be able to cover its interest expense with its EBIT with ease. When we consider all the factors discussed, it seems to us that HASEKO is taking some risks with its use of debt. While that debt can boost returns, we think the company has enough leverage now. When analysing debt levels, the balance sheet is the obvious place to start. However, not all investment risk resides within the balance sheet - far from it. Be aware that HASEKO is showing 1 warning sign in our investment analysis , you should know about...
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About TSE:1808
HASEKO
Engages in the real estate, construction, and engineering businesses in Japan and internationally.
Good value with adequate balance sheet and pays a dividend.